Is P2P wrong?

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How do you feel about sharing copyrighted music on a P2P network?
It's a tool to discovery new music to buy & I use it.	9 (40.9%)
You use it to take whatever you can get & find nothing wrong with it!	7 (31.8%)
It's somewhat wrong but I use it anyway.	4 (18.2%)
It's wrong but I still use it anyway.	1 (4.5%)
It's wrong and I don't use P2P but to each their own.	0 (0%)
It's wrong and users should be punished.	0 (0%)
Undecided	1 (4.5%)
Total Votes: 22

Is P2P wrong?
Topic Started: Sep 3 2004, 01:55 PM (641 Views)
StEC	Sep 3 2004, 01:55 PM Post #1
Gender Hudini Admin Posts: 16,544 Group: Administrator Member #1 Joined: August 19, 2004 Gender Male Mood Positive Browser Firefox Blog StEC's Blog!	Feel free to discuss your answers and opinions! I feel it is a tool to discover new music that I would never of heard or thought of buying before! I see nothing wrong with sharing music especially if it's music I would never have purchased anyway so no loss of revenue from my wallet. There are songs/cd's I would never have boughten in my life but because I could get them for free then why not eh! But all in all P2P is perfectly fine with me and I see it as a tool for the future of music only if the big record companies can get off their ass and stop worrying about their current collapse of their monopoly they had for so long and start accepting change and the opinions of their customers. Stec
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phatty_phred	Sep 21 2004, 06:54 PM Post #2
Pot Puffin' Primate Posts: 5,712 Group: Member Member #5 Joined: August 20, 2004	i still have more music that i bought from Big Record Companies, then i have downloaded from p2p sites. (over 30 gigs i purchased (on CD alone), 8 gigs that i have downloaded) i have supported Columbia House since i was 18 years (about 30 years) alot of this music i bought twice, once on LP then again on CD.(at inflated prices) plus i bought every Reggae CD available at Columbia House and BMG Their selection of Reggae is Small compared to the Reggae Available at p2p sites. i also searched Halifax (and other towns)in Music Stores and Second Hand Shops and bought all the Reggae they had to offer.(at inflated prices) <_< so having supported big record companies for 30 years i have already paid for more music than i could possibly download for the next 30 years i found so many Reggae Bands on p2p sites that weren't even available in my Province of Nova Scotia. 90% of what i download is stuff from the 60s-90s. and i still buy CDs of Bands that i like, because i like to have the whole album ( with write ups, cover art, song & band info etc.) p2p is the Future of Music, it allows "more people" to hear "more bands". therefore the Musicians benefit more than the Big Record Companies. as a fellow writer the most important thing to me is that "more people" read my writings! and i'm sure most Bands would agree, when it comes to their songs. Hey and also, "what Stec said". B) RESPECT fred



serrebi	Sep 21 2004, 11:17 PM Post #3
Special Member Posts: 226 Group: Member Member #55 Joined: September 21, 2004 Gender Male Mood Proud	I have to word this write, or it could sound very very mean, but the indistry needs to tax net use for p2p. It would save a lot of shit that is happening from continuing, and stop record companies and the riaa from saying they are the artists and we don't like it. I use p2p to dl european dance that isn't avaliable here. I dl compilations and cds that are only avaliable in europe. I'd never be able to buy this stuff cause the inport prices are outragus , there like 40 bucks for one of my fav compilations, and I couldn't find the latest one on the net on an english site, you know how sad that is? lol, :D so I believe p2p should be taxed. Really, ifdling music off p2p was made legal, more centralized stuff would be made with mostly p2p connections. It would allow for some progs to have true full network searches, and maybe ag would come back! lol that would be so sweet. Plus, the way artists are treated, it's a wonder they don't just leave the labels. There contracts basicly bar them mostly. Well I'm rambling, :D so I'll go now.
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volcano	Sep 24 2004, 06:56 AM Post #4
Special Member Posts: 145 Group: Member Member #51 Joined: September 18, 2004	Actually,P2P itself is excellent,nothing wrong with it.But p2p really brings a lot of problems,it can also spread virus on the internet,and children can easily get porn files wherever a internet connection exists.Some illegal files can spread faster by this,too.



pilo	Oct 2 2004, 09:46 PM Post #5
Member Posts: 50 Group: Member Member #64 Joined: October 2, 2004	It's a real pain in the ass when proposed with a question like this. I would have like to have voted: "It's wrong but I still use it anyway" AND "It's a tool i used to discover new music before I BUY IT" I realise what I do is wrong in the eyes of the RIAA and all that bullshit, but in my own opinion, I think it should be legal... The way I use P2P, I am actually supporting the artists even more. Without the internet and P2P, I would have never discovered "aphex twin" or "squarepusher" and I must have bought over 30 or 40 cd's all up! Stop whinging you cry-baby bastards (@ riaa).



zzzzzzzuhlast	Oct 12 2004, 06:29 PM Post #6
Unregistered	Nice post Pilo, couldn`t have said it better! B)
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StEC	Oct 17 2004, 12:57 AM Post #7
Gender Hudini Admin Posts: 16,544 Group: Administrator Member #1 Joined: August 19, 2004 Gender Male Mood Positive Browser Firefox Blog StEC's Blog!	Yep nthat was an excellent post Pilomeister! B)
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sandal	Oct 17 2004, 02:52 AM Post #8
The Chaser Posts: 1,112 Group: Administrator Member #19 Joined: August 28, 2004 Mood Inspired	in my opinion p2p is our way of fighting the machine. sometimes i feel like our lives are controlled by big companies and we are losing more and more freedoms everyday. p2p is our way of saying "screw you". big agreement with pilo as well



RealAct	Oct 25 2004, 04:34 PM Post #9
Member Posts: 59 Group: Member Member #44 Joined: September 12, 2004	I like the P2P file sharing concept and I believe it really improved the internet when it appeared, Many techonologies we have today would not even exist unless P2P was invented and used first, However I do agree it is wrong to some extent when its used SOLELY to download music illegally without giving the artists nothing in return. Anyway I know everyone has used P2P file sharing networks to download music, Even myself, but still it's not quite right, The music downloading part I mean, the technology itself is great!
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TheSauceMaster	Oct 26 2004, 05:39 PM Post #10
Loyal Member Posts: 659 Group: Retired Staff Member #20 Joined: August 28, 2004	I think your going to see the ISP's join in the fight to combat P2P , I have seen alot of ISP's starting to put download and upload limit's and even go as far as blocking P2P ports ...Infact My ISP has just made BT useless to me by blocking all the BT ports. Sandvine Peer-To-Peer http://www.linuxelectrons.com/article.php/2004062306290110 http://www.sandvine.com/solutions/p2p_policy_mngmt.asp ISP's are feeling the pressure of the RIAA and also bandwidth abusers who constantly leave the clients on 24/7 , basically I can download from BT but it crawls because I can't seed , and I won't up load anything. Kinda ticks me off cause there are legit purposes for BT , that's how I downloaded the WOW * world of warcraft beta* and that's how they made all the people get the client. I really don't have a choice for broadband , it's cable or nothing and if I had dialup I would sell my PC , alot of people are in the similar situation as myself.
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Derrick of GWN	Apr 9 2005, 10:40 AM Post #11
Special Member Posts: 204 Group: Investor Member #124 Joined: January 2, 2005	IN Canada we already pay for the privilage of downloading music, weather most people know it or not. On every piece of storage media coming into the country. Every I-Pod has around a $25 "tariff" (read TAX) that is collected and supposedly distributed to Canadian artists. Every CD-R has about $.15 added to it. So hence, downloading in Canada is technically legal because we already pay for it....at least thats the theory. Every MP3 player, digital camera...literally anything that COULD store music is taxed. Now I deal with a lot of Canadian musicians (indies and small labels), and 90% of them like p2p sharing. Why? Because they are never going to break into the radio monopoly, so it is the only way of getting their music to a larger fan base. They realize that this isn't taking away from sales, because the downloaders would never have heard of them if not for P2P. The artists hope to use it to draw more people out to their live shows, which is basically where most of them make their money anyway. Personally, I used to use it, but haven't much for a couple of years. I have PILES of discs kicking around here that I can't find the time to listen to as it is! I believe a musician, just like every other profession, deserves to get paid for their work. But until a good working model is developed most of them will try and make the best of the situation and use it the best they can. I'm talking indie artists. Avril and Celiene can go fuck themselves as they have already soaked every idiot to walk into Walmart for $20.



phatty_phred	Apr 9 2005, 11:28 AM Post #12
Pot Puffin' Primate Posts: 5,712 Group: Member Member #5 Joined: August 20, 2004	it is a sads statement of fact, that shows how our own wickedness is consuming our very thoughts. when we consider that sharing these same thoughts is a Criminal Act unless somebody got Paid (tdown) SHARING GOOD GREED BAD phatty



StEC	Apr 10 2005, 04:37 PM Post #13
Gender Hudini Admin Posts: 16,544 Group: Administrator Member #1 Joined: August 19, 2004 Gender Male Mood Positive Browser Firefox Blog StEC's Blog!	Derrick of GWN Apr 9 2005, 10:40 AM IN Canada we already pay for the privilage of downloading music, weather most people know it or not. On every piece of storage media coming into the country. Every I-Pod has around a $25 "tariff" (read TAX) that is collected and supposedly distributed to Canadian artists. Every CD-R has about $.15 added to it. So hence, downloading in Canada is technically legal because we already pay for it....at least thats the theory. Every MP3 player, digital camera...literally anything that COULD store music is taxed. Now I deal with a lot of Canadian musicians (indies and small labels), and 90% of them like p2p sharing. Why? Because they are never going to break into the radio monopoly, so it is the only way of getting their music to a larger fan base. They realize that this isn't taking away from sales, because the downloaders would never have heard of them if not for P2P. The artists hope to use it to draw more people out to their live shows, which is basically where most of them make their money anyway. Personally, I used to use it, but haven't much for a couple of years. I have PILES of discs kicking around here that I can't find the time to listen to as it is! I believe a musician, just like every other profession, deserves to get paid for their work. But until a good working model is developed most of them will try and make the best of the situation and use it the best they can. I'm talking indie artists. Avril and Celiene can go fuck themselves as they have already soaked every idiot to walk into Walmart for $20. Now that was a well stated post and all very true and I don't mind paying the tarrif one bit in fact I am a big supporter of it because it's a small fee to pay for all the music I have downloaded. IF they go the route of making sharing illegal with this latest bill they want to pass though they better damn well lift the tarrifs then because that would be illegal then to keep such a tarrif if they make sharing illegal.
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zzzzzzzuhlast	Apr 11 2005, 07:48 AM Post #14
Unregistered	Food for thought... The new linespire 5 has limewire and bit torrent built in! It will be interesting to see if this 20 million dollar operating system becomes illegal.
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zzzzzzzuhlast	Apr 11 2005, 07:54 AM Post #15
Unregistered	http://www.museum.tv/archives/etv/B/htmlB/...betamaxcase.htm Hundreds of millions of software programs have been downloaded and the technology has been implemented in many purely legal applications. Linspire uses P2P to distribute many terabytes of our software in a cost effective manner to paying customers when our own servers are overloaded. Our newest version, Linspire Five-0 has BitTorrent P2P technology built in it to help people easily access authorized materials such as legaltorrents.com. Unquestionably, P2P is firmly rooted in many software products and companies, making it impossible to put the toothpaste back in the tube. And perhaps in response to the legal uncertainty around the Grokster, the next generation of P2P programs such as BitTorrent and emule are completely open source with no corporate backing, making a legal target non-existent. Even if the Supreme Court outlawed P2P, this is one time when an American unilateral decision will not be effective. The U.S. may be a world power in the global political theater able to enforce its will through sheer military might, but we hold no such dominance on the Internet. It is the great equalizer with around 150 countries connecting to it and able to implement their own laws. A ban on P2P in the U.S. might slow things down, but it would not halt developments elsewhere and would simply hand the economic opportunities to other countries. Online gambling is a good example. The U.S. allows gambling in state lotteries, riverboats, Las Vegas, Indian reservations, Atlantic City, and elsewhere, but clings to the absurd position that online gambling is illegal. Rather than prevent Americans from gambling, they have simply pushed it off-shore where the U.S. generates no tax revenues and has no policing ability. New non-U.S. companies are not only providing traditional betting options online to Americans, but innovative new approaches such as Betfair - a sort of eBay for betting - are emerging. U.S. policies against online gambling do not meaningfully impede online gambling, but simply give the economic benefit to other countries. The same will be true for P2P- the only lasting impact will be to block the U.S. from enjoying the economic benefits. The Supreme Court is expected to hand down its ruling in Grokster in July. Try LinspireLive! and the CNR Service absolutely FREE! Undoubtedly, it will receive incredible attention whatever the ruling. But the decentralized nature of P2P, and the global nature of the Internet, and widespread usage means it will have minimal impact on P2P adoption or usage. We've made a version of LinspireLive! available for free via P2P so people can experience Linspire directly from a CD without installing the OS to see how well it would work on their computer. One snazzy new feature we've added is that you can also try CNR (click and run) while running from a CD with no registration or payment required. With this one free download you can experience Linspire Five-0 and CNR. I hope you'll give it a try while P2P is still legal in the U.S.
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StEC	Apr 11 2005, 07:59 AM Post #16
Gender Hudini Admin Posts: 16,544 Group: Administrator Member #1 Joined: August 19, 2004 Gender Male Mood Positive Browser Firefox Blog StEC's Blog!	very cool post Zzzzzz was a great read. I think it's very cool that Linespire has P2p built in just too bad it's limewire yuck so all the newbs will not know any better and use it only not knowing that there are so many better programs out there. P2P will never be outlawed more & more everyday it's becoming used for legit reasons just like Linespire and that is a great thing.
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phatty_phred	Apr 12 2005, 08:37 AM Post #17
Pot Puffin' Primate Posts: 5,712 Group: Member Member #5 Joined: August 20, 2004	Stec Apr 10 2005, 04:37 PM I don't mind paying the tarrif one bit in fact I am a big supporter of it because it's a small fee to pay for all the music I have downloaded. IF they go the route of making sharing illegal with this latest bill they want to pass though they better damn well lift the tarrifs then because that would be illegal then to keep such a tarrif if they make sharing illegal. Stec Taxes are never revoked Those Tariffs are prob here to stay Just Like the G.S.T. phatty



Glenmetalhead	Apr 22 2005, 08:26 PM Post #18
Loyal Member Posts: 545 Group: Investor Member #144 Joined: February 6, 2005 Gender Male Mood Proud Browser Firefox Blog Please insert the title of your blog	I use P2P all the time to listen to new music and groups that I have never before heard of but have been told about either from friends or my certain websites. This gives me the chance to decide if I like this group or not it also lets me know if the album is all good or it has 2 or 3 good songs and the rest is filler. The ones that pass this simple test get my $20.00 or sometimes more because most of the music I listen too comes in only as imports LOL. (tup)



PhD Whore	May 26 2005, 11:28 AM Post #19
Newbie Posts: 17 Group: Member Member #253 Joined: May 25, 2005	the first, there's nothing wrong with it



zzzzzzzuhlast	Sep 3 2009, 08:31 PM Post #20
Mercora's Purple Monkey Posts: 610 Group: Investor Member #843 Joined: August 5, 2009 Gender Private	Thought I would bump this one as it pertains to this section. ....my question now, has any one's thoughts and answers here changed since this thread was made? Edited by zzzzzzzuhlast, Sep 3 2009, 08:33 PM.
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