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Climategate U-turn as scientist at centre of row admits: There has been no global warming since 1995
Posted by kenmo (Member) at Feb 14 2010, 11:37 AM. 3 comments
Looks like those screaming fraud behind global warming may not be so wrong after all....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250872/Climategate-U-turn-Astonishment-scientist-centre-global-warming-email-row-admits-data-organised.html
In case the link disappears here's the complete article...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250872/Climategate-U-turn-Astonishment-scientist-centre-global-warming-email-row-admits-data-organised.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250872/Climategate-U-turn-Astonishment-scientist-centre-global-warming-email-row-admits-data-organised.html
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Professor Jones also conceded the possibility that the world was warmer in medieval times than now – suggesting global warming may not be a man-made phenomenon.
In case the link disappears here's the complete article...
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Climategate U-turn as scientist at centre of row admits: There has been no global warming since 1995
By Jonathan Petre
Last updated at 1:51 PM on 14th February 2010
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* Data for vital 'hockey stick graph' has gone missing
* There has been no global warming since 1995
* Warming periods have happened before - but NOT due to man-made changes
The academic at the centre of the ‘Climategate’ affair, whose raw data is crucial to the theory of climate change, has admitted that he has trouble ‘keeping track’ of the information.
Colleagues say that the reason Professor Phil Jones has refused Freedom of Information requests is that he may have actually lost the relevant papers.
Professor Jones told the BBC yesterday there was truth in the observations of colleagues that he lacked organisational skills, that his office was swamped with piles of paper and that his record keeping is ‘not as good as it should be’.
The data is crucial to the famous ‘hockey stick graph’ used by climate change advocates to support the theory.
Professor Jones also conceded the possibility that the world was warmer in medieval times than now – suggesting global warming may not be a man-made phenomenon.
And he said that for the past 15 years there has been no ‘statistically significant’ warming.
The admissions will be seized on by sceptics as fresh evidence that there are serious flaws at the heart of the science of climate change and the orthodoxy that recent rises in temperature are largely man-made.
Professor Jones has been in the spotlight since he stepped down as director of the University of East Anglia’s Climatic Research Unit after the leaking of emails that sceptics claim show scientists were manipulating data.
The raw data, collected from hundreds of weather stations around the world and analysed by his unit, has been used for years to bolster efforts by the United Nation’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change to press governments to cut carbon dioxide emissions.
Following the leak of the emails, Professor Jones has been accused of ‘scientific fraud’ for allegedly deliberately suppressing information and refusing to share vital data with critics.
Discussing the interview, the BBC’s environmental analyst Roger Harrabin said he had spoken to colleagues of Professor Jones who had told him that his strengths included integrity and doggedness but not record-keeping and office tidying.
Mr Harrabin, who conducted the interview for the BBC’s website, said the professor had been collating tens of thousands of pieces of data from around the world to produce a coherent record of temperature change.
That material has been used to produce the ‘hockey stick graph’ which is relatively flat for centuries before rising steeply in recent decades.
According to Mr Harrabin, colleagues of Professor Jones said ‘his office is piled high with paper, fragments from over the years, tens of thousands of pieces of paper, and they suspect what happened was he took in the raw data to a central database and then let the pieces of paper go because he never realised that 20 years later he would be held to account over them’.
Asked by Mr Harrabin about these issues, Professor Jones admitted the lack of organisation in the system had contributed to his reluctance to share data with critics, which he regretted.
But he denied he had cheated over the data or unfairly influenced the scientific process, and said he still believed recent temperature rises were predominantly man-made.
Asked about whether he lost track of data, Professor Jones said: ‘There is some truth in that. We do have a trail of where the weather stations have come from but it’s probably not as good as it should be.
‘There’s a continual updating of the dataset. Keeping track of everything is difficult. Some countries will do lots of checking on their data then issue improved data, so it can be very difficult. We have improved but we have to improve more.’
He also agreed that there had been two periods which experienced similar warming, from 1910 to 1940 and from 1975 to 1998, but said these could be explained by natural phenomena whereas more recent warming could not.
He further admitted that in the last 15 years there had been no ‘statistically significant’ warming, although he argued this was a blip rather than the long-term trend.
And he said that the debate over whether the world could have been even warmer than now during the medieval period, when there is evidence of high temperatures in northern countries, was far from settled.
Sceptics believe there is strong evidence that the world was warmer between about 800 and 1300 AD than now because of evidence of high temperatures in northern countries.
But climate change advocates have dismissed this as false or only applying to the northern part of the world.
Professor Jones departed from this consensus when he said: ‘There is much debate over whether the Medieval Warm Period was global in extent or not. The MWP is most clearly expressed in parts of North America, the North Atlantic and Europe and parts of Asia.
‘For it to be global in extent, the MWP would need to be seen clearly in more records from the tropical regions and the Southern hemisphere. There are very few palaeoclimatic records for these latter two regions.
‘Of course, if the MWP was shown to be global in extent and as warm or warmer than today, then obviously the late 20th Century warmth would not be unprecedented. On the other hand, if the MWP was global, but was less warm than today, then the current warmth would be unprecedented.’
Sceptics said this was the first time a senior scientist working with the IPCC had admitted to the possibility that the Medieval Warming Period could have been global, and therefore the world could have been hotter then than now.
Professor Jones criticised those who complained he had not shared his data with them, saying they could always collate their own from publicly available material in the US. And he said the climate had not cooled ‘until recently – and then barely at all. The trend is a warming trend’.
Mr Harrabin told Radio 4’s Today programme that, despite the controversies, there still appeared to be no fundamental flaws in the majority scientific view that climate change was largely man-made.
But Dr Benny Pieser, director of the sceptical Global Warming Policy Foundation, said Professor Jones’s ‘excuses’ for his failure to share data were hollow as he had shared it with colleagues and ‘mates’.
He said that until all the data was released, sceptics could not test it to see if it supported the conclusions claimed by climate change advocates.
He added that the professor’s concessions over medieval warming were ‘significant’ because they were his first public admission that the science was not settled.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250872/Climategate-U-turn-Astonishment-scientist-centre-global-warming-email-row-admits-data-organised.html
El Nino at play behind cold weather
Posted by Brandon82 (Member) at Jan 9 2010, 12:49 PM. 11 comments
I took geography and some atmospheric courses when I was at university years ago, and one thing that surprises me with the current 'cold snap' the southern US is experiencing is what short memories people have.
In 2003 we had a bitterly cold winter in the south, I was in Tennessee at the time, and while Tennessee isn't deep south and still gets relatively cold in winter, we had like a month of weather where it didn't get above 20 degrees which is atypical and snow was on the ground for over a month nonstop. I remember it well, it was snowfall after snowfall and was very cold.
What do the winter of 2003 and the winter of 2010 have in common? Its coming at the end of an El-Nino Southern Oscillation year - an all but forgotten phenomenon where the Pacific Ocean is hotter than average and holds a great deal of heat, transforming world weather patterns and throwing everything off balance. Its effects tend to be hard to predict, and if it sends a jet stream off course it can plunge very cold weather further south from the arctic even though the entire Pacific Ocean's central basin is overheated.
Here is a photo, courtesy of NOAA, of oceanic temps worldwide right now:

And here is the difference from the average:

Average temperatures in the Pacific are anywhere from 3-5C above average as its a typical El Nino season.
There's your partial answer to our interesting weather. This doesn't prove nor disprove global warming, its just information so I'm not looking for another global warming discussion with half-truths and myths of why the earth is cooling - its not - its just some info about the current winter weather in the southern US that is causing them to be so whiney and babyish over semi-frozen temps. ;)
In 2003 we had a bitterly cold winter in the south, I was in Tennessee at the time, and while Tennessee isn't deep south and still gets relatively cold in winter, we had like a month of weather where it didn't get above 20 degrees which is atypical and snow was on the ground for over a month nonstop. I remember it well, it was snowfall after snowfall and was very cold.
What do the winter of 2003 and the winter of 2010 have in common? Its coming at the end of an El-Nino Southern Oscillation year - an all but forgotten phenomenon where the Pacific Ocean is hotter than average and holds a great deal of heat, transforming world weather patterns and throwing everything off balance. Its effects tend to be hard to predict, and if it sends a jet stream off course it can plunge very cold weather further south from the arctic even though the entire Pacific Ocean's central basin is overheated.
Here is a photo, courtesy of NOAA, of oceanic temps worldwide right now:

And here is the difference from the average:

Average temperatures in the Pacific are anywhere from 3-5C above average as its a typical El Nino season.
There's your partial answer to our interesting weather. This doesn't prove nor disprove global warming, its just information so I'm not looking for another global warming discussion with half-truths and myths of why the earth is cooling - its not - its just some info about the current winter weather in the southern US that is causing them to be so whiney and babyish over semi-frozen temps. ;)
Canadians to pay a additional $3000.00 per year in taxes
Posted by kenmo (Member) at Dec 18 2009, 09:37 PM. 0 comments
It is being estimated the Copenhagen deal may cost on average each Canadian family an additional $3000.00 each year... The draft agreement, was reportedly pushed by President Barack Obama, the U.K. and Denmark... At least Bush would have had the stones to stand up to the UN's chicanery...
http://www.vancouversun.com/business/Copenhagen+grifters+plan+every+Canadian+family/2350810/story.html
http://www.vancouversun.com/business/Copenhagen+grifters+plan+every+Canadian+family/2350810/story.html
What Are Global Warming Supporters Trying to Hide?
Posted by kenmo (Member) at Dec 4 2009, 06:57 PM. 10 comments
According to this Fox News Report it's just not East Anglia who are hiding the real facts on global warming...
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/12/04/john-lott-climate-gate-secret-data/
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2009/12/04/john-lott-climate-gate-secret-data/
Woman alleged to be involved in human traffiking caught
Posted by kenmo (Member) at Dec 3 2009, 12:04 PM. 0 comments
$4,000 will buy you a slave in Calgary... $4,000 is what a person's life is worth???? This is really disturbing....
I thought slavery in North America ended in 1865 when General Lee & Jefferson Davis surrendered the Confederacy to General Grant and President Lincoln?????
http://www.calgarysun.com/news/alberta/2009/12/03/12018806-sun.html
I thought slavery in North America ended in 1865 when General Lee & Jefferson Davis surrendered the Confederacy to General Grant and President Lincoln?????
http://www.calgarysun.com/news/alberta/2009/12/03/12018806-sun.html
Breaking news - hacker leaks e-mails to expose hoax
Posted by kenmo (Member) at Nov 21 2009, 09:45 AM. 19 comments
The breaking news this morning is a computer hacker has broken into the database of the Climate Research Unit n Norwich, England and downloaded e-mails, many of these e-mails are from Phil Jones, head of the CRU. These e-mails are telling researchers to fudge data and contain remarks that many researchers have private doubts about man made global warming. The CRU have admitted the leak is true and the break in occurred 4 days ago...
http://www.dailytech.com/Climategate+Stunning+Deception+and+Misconduct+at+UK+Warming+Research+Center+Revealed/article16889.htm
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100017451/climategate-how-the-msm-reported-the-greatest-scandal-in-modern-science/
BBC News is now reporting....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8370282.stm
http://www.dailytech.com/Climategate+Stunning+Deception+and+Misconduct+at+UK+Warming+Research+Center+Revealed/article16889.htm
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100017451/climategate-how-the-msm-reported-the-greatest-scandal-in-modern-science/
BBC News is now reporting....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8370282.stm
Ontario may regulate big, flat screen tvs
Posted by kenmo (Member) at Nov 19 2009, 09:59 PM. 11 comments
It appears the Ontario government is considering on setting regulations on new flat panel tvs...
How many of you are going to toss your new LCD or Plasma tv and go back to the old crt "to save the planet"... :huh:
http://www.thestar.com/news/ontario/article/728208--ontario-starting-to-see-the-light-on-flat-screen-tv-standards?bn=1
It's obvious the church of Al Gore is writing their 10 commandments
1) Thou shall not own a suv
2) Thou shall not own a dog or cat
3) Thou shall not own a big, flat screen tv....
The silliness continues....!!!
How many of you are going to toss your new LCD or Plasma tv and go back to the old crt "to save the planet"... :huh:
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The average plasma TV uses more than three times as much energy as an old cathode-ray tube set, while liquid-crystal display, or LCD, TVs use about 43 per cent more energy than tube sets.
http://www.thestar.com/news/ontario/article/728208--ontario-starting-to-see-the-light-on-flat-screen-tv-standards?bn=1
It's obvious the church of Al Gore is writing their 10 commandments
1) Thou shall not own a suv
2) Thou shall not own a dog or cat
3) Thou shall not own a big, flat screen tv....
The silliness continues....!!!
Framed by a computer virus....
Posted by kenmo (Member) at Nov 8 2009, 10:12 PM. 7 comments
If true...this is scary shit....
http://tech.yahoo.com/news/ap/20091108/ap_on_hi_te/us_tec_a_virus_framed_me
http://tech.yahoo.com/news/ap/20091108/ap_on_hi_te/us_tec_a_virus_framed_me
Climate change belief given same legal status as religion
Posted by kenmo (Member) at Nov 4 2009, 08:57 AM. 2 comments
This rulling seems to indicate climate change is more about politics then science and this judge's ruling affirms this opinion....
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/6494213/Climate-change-belief-given-same-legal-status-as-religion.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/6494213/Climate-change-belief-given-same-legal-status-as-religion.html
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Climate change belief given same legal status as religion
An executive has won the right to sue his employer on the basis that he was unfairly dismissed for his green views after a judge ruled that environmentalism had the same weight in law as religious and philosophical beliefs.
By Stephen Adams and Louise Gray
Published: 3:11PM GMT 03 Nov 2009
In a landmark ruling, Mr Justice Michael Burton said that "a belief in man-made climate change ... is capable, if genuinely held, of being a philosophical belief for the purpose of the 2003 Religion and Belief Regulations".
The ruling could open the door for employees to sue their companies for failing to account for their green lifestyles, such as providing recycling facilities or offering low-carbon travel.
The decision regards Tim Nicholson, former head of sustainability at property firm Grainger plc, who claims he was made redundant in July 2008 due to his "philosophical belief about climate change and the environment".
In March, employment judge David Heath gave Mr Nicholson permission to take the firm to tribunal over his treatment.
But Grainger challenged the ruling on the grounds that green views were political and based on science, as opposed to religious or philosophical in nature.
John Bowers QC, representing Grainger, had argued that adherence to climate change theory was "a scientific view rather than a philosophical one", because "philosophy deals with matters that are not capable of scientific proof."
That argument has now been dismissed by Mr Justice Burton, who last year ruled that the environmental documentary An Inconvenient Truth by Al Gore was political and partisan.
The decision allows the tribunal to go ahead, but more importantly sets a precedent for how environmental beliefs are regarded in English law.
Mr Nicholson, 42, from Oxford, told a previous hearing that his views were so strong that he refused to travel by air and had renovated his house to be environmentally-friendly.
But his beliefs led to frequent clashes with Grainger's other managers, while he said that Rupert Dickinson, the firm's chief executive, treated his concerns with "contempt".
Once Mr Dickinson flew a member of staff to Ireland to deliver his Blackberry mobile phone after leaving it in London, Mr Nicholson claimed.
Mr Nicholson hailed the Employment Appeals Tribunal ruling as "a victory for common sense" but stressed climate change was "not a new religion".
He said: "I believe man-made climate change is the most important issue of our time and nothing should stand in the way of diverting this catastrophe.
"This philosophical belief that is based on scientific evidence has now been given the same protection in law as faith-based religious belief.
"Belief in man-made climate change is not a new religion, it is a philosophical belief that reflects my moral and ethical values and is underlined by the overwhelming scientific evidence."
His lawyer Shah Qureshi, head of employment law at Bindmans LLP, argued that if the ruling had gone against them, "the end result would be that the more evidence there is to support your views, the less likely it would be for you to enjoy protection against discrimination".
Grainger now plans to contest Mr Nicholson's claim of unfair dismissal at tribunal.
Dave Butler, its corporate affairs director, said: "This decision merely confirms that views on the importance of environmental protection are capable of amounting to a philosophical belief.
"We are looking forward to addressing the issues at tribunal level and demonstrating that there was no causal link between Mr Nicholson's beliefs and his redundancy."
The grounds for Mr Nicholson's case stem from changes to employment law made by Baroness Scotland, the Attorney General, in the Employment Equality (Religion and Belief) Regulations 2003.
The regulations effectively broaden the protection to cover not just religious beliefs or those "similar" to religious beliefs, but philosophical beliefs as well.
Dogs & Cats are bad for global warming.....
Posted by kenmo (Member) at Oct 28 2009, 01:42 PM. 6 comments
More fear mongering and plain silliness from the global warming fear mongers....
http://www.nationalpost.com/related/topics/story.html?id=2132808
http://www.nationalpost.com/related/topics/story.html?id=2132808
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Dogs and cats are bad for the planet, authors say
They're faithful, friendly and furry - but under their harmless, fluffy exteriors, dogs and cats, the world's most popular house pets, use up more energy resources in a year than driving a car, a new book says.
In their book Time to Eat the Dog: The Real Guide to Sustainable Living, New Zealand-based architects Robert and Brenda Vale say keeping a medium-sized dog has the same ecological impact as driving 10,000 km (6,213 miles) a year in a 4.6 liter Land Cruiser.
Calculating that the modern Fido chows through about 164 kg of meat and 95 kg of cereals a year, the Vales estimated the ecological footprint of cats and dogs, based on the amount of land needed to grow common brands of pet food.
"There are no recipes in the book," Robert Vale said, laughingly, in a telephone interview.
"We're not actually saying it is time to eat the dog. We're just saying that we need to think about and know the [ecological] impact of some of the things we do and that we take for granted."
Constructing and driving the jeep for a year requires 0.41 hectares of land, while growing and manufacturing a dog's food takes about 0.84 ha - or 1.1 ha in the case of a large dog such as a German shepherd.
Meat-eating swells the eco-footprint of canines, and felines are not that much better, the Vales found.
The average cat's eco-footprint, 0.15 ha, weighs in at slightly less than a Volkswagen Golf, but still 10 times a hamster's 0.014 ha -- which is itself half the eco cost of running a plasma television.
By comparison, the ecological footprint of an average human in the developing world is 1.8 ha, while people in the developed world take 6 ha.
With pets' diets under the control of owners, how can their unsustainable appetites be trimmed?
Convincing carnivorous cats and dogs to go vegetarian for the sake of the planet is a non-starter, the Vales say.
Instead they recommend keeping "greener," smaller, and more sustainable pets, such as goldfish, hamsters, chickens or rabbits.
The book's playful title, and serious suggestion that pet animals may be usefully "recycled," by being eaten by their owners or turned into petfood when they die, may not appeal to animal fans.
Offputting as the idea may be, the question is valid given the planet's growing population and finite resources, Robert Vale said.
"Issues about sustainability are increasingly becoming things that are going to require us to make choices which are as difficult as eating your dog. It's not just about changing your lightbulbs or taking a cloth bag to the supermarket," he said.
"It's about much more challenging and difficult issues," he added. "Once you see where [cats and dogs] fit in your overall balance of things - you might decide to have the cat but not also to have the two cars and the three bathrooms and be a meat eater yourself."
© Thomson Reuters 2009
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